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Bush: Taiwan Free>China: http://tinyurl.com/caaqv Unvrsl Dclrtn:Hmn Rghts: http://tinyurl.com/284uo TP Rev Dclrtn: Indpndnc: http://tinyurl.com/dq675 -:Thomas Paine: http://tinyurl.com/d7qvc IraqIllegalMedDetainees: http://tinyurl.com/cagul Iraq:US'Massive Arrests: http://tinyurl.com/dekes !Melting Skin: http://tinyurl.com/dkuga !burning qstn: http://tinyurl.com/9oqs2 CarlyleGroup Subversion: http://tinyurl.com/22uag Rus-Turk Pipeline Italy: http://tinyurl.com/7ck5d French Probl: http://tinyurl.com/8oqvw Windy cloudy fair cool mild: Up 6:15 then 8:15, Section 8 coming tenant tel to offer $1000 deposit first then $500 soon, agree. Finish emails at 1:25pm late! [C]R rplies my answer under: " "Heroic" Future of the World-2: "mini-nations" " > #0. H. comes and pays $1590 of $1500 deposit and $592 of the 1st monfh rent, $2 short, and the remaining $500 depost to be paid by Friday. Done! Mei goes with her for her keys to open the house. Mei tel Chen pressing to move back again then tv, now 11:56pm. Check garage & water as usual which the dog drinks long and hard! and food for the first time for Snowball. Jun still computer. Bed 12:40am. #0: "Heroic" Future of the World-2: "mini-nations": [French Intifada ] "" [Tsai 05.11.15=2 #1] Colin Powell is a son of Jamaican immigrant to the US, and the current Condoleezza Rice is? Perhaps you have mentioned before that the Carribean immigrants are rather special? If they are marrying out, then it's different from the Mexicans in the US, in that a viable separate identity of their own in their self-ruling community is rather marginal. It is also not so for the Chinese immigrants to Taiwan, since the Japanese had taken over Taiwan, and then the Chinese Nationalists. Would "mini-nations" ever replace the nation states, without state or "separatist" terrors?. ====================== R. wrote: Oh yes, they are. Where are the Caribian churches and preachers that call for holy war, death to the Jewish pigs, disgust for the unbelievers (that includes *you*, in case you missed that), and a refusal to obey the laws of the crusaders (that includes British law, in case you missed that too). More to the point... where exactly are these fanatical French Muslims? Do the rioters stop rioting five times a day for prayers? Do they conspire with others in the local Mosque? You'd apparently like to think so. Reports suggest that your view and reality are separated by a widening gulf. These kids GRANDPARENTS might have been Islamic, but the kids themselves are unlikely even to speak Arabic. Their connection with their ethnic roots has withered away... and hasn't been replaced. The vast majority don't study the Koran, they don't attend the mosque, and they don't pray to Allah. They're as irreligious as the average Englishman. But I guess it's a handy (if ill-informed) stereotype if you've got a weak argument that needs shoring up. D.: It IS possible to integrate Caribians into a pluralistic, democratic society. How you want to integrate Islam, you should show us. How many of the 47 islamic countries around the world have anything resembling a free, tolerant society? R.: The UK is the main destination for Carribean immigrants. The first wave arrived here on the SS "Windrush"... We're now dealing with their chldren and grandchildren. Interestingly, a majority of women or Jamaican origin wouldn't consider taking a husband of Jamaican origin. They're ambitious, and they regard Jamaican men as "lazy underachievers." My home town of Bristol is a strange place... for complicated historical reasons, it doesn't follow the usual rules of urban expansion - deprived inner city, prosperous outer suburbs - instead, it's kind of like a "marble cake" - where you make two batches of spongecake mixture, pour one into the cake tine, then the other, and stir gently with a spoon so that they mix up. Result, I spent most of my childhood living in a wealthy area... yet also no more than a few hundred yards away from St Pauls - one of England's oldest communities of West Indians. The "problem" we have with West Indians generally speaking isn't with immigrants or their children. It's with their Jamaican passport-holding relatives, who come to "visit" - using family connections as a prextext for getting a Visa. Shootings in Bristol are rare... and almost entirely down to "visiting cousins". Back home in Jamaica, the country divides into relatively crime-free "tourist" areas, and Kingston, which is as dangerous as Baghdad. Cops carry M16's and patrol in pairs. Drug dealing is the major source of income. Criminal gangs ("Yardies" and "Rude Boys") are the main authority. Yes, it's possible - to an extent - to assimilate Jamaicans. The girls work hard at school, get white-collar jobs, and marry white, white-collar men. The boys goof-off at school (it's not "cool" to be smart) get blue-collar jobs, and frequently marry white girls from blue-collar backgrounds. Sounds stereotypical... but it's the way things are. By the fourth or fifth generation, their kinds won't just be "assimilated"... it'll be almost impossible to tell that they had dark-skinned great grandparents. My son has Jamaican friends - notably one named Jason. His parents arrived in the UK shortly before he was born, 14 years back. Both parents come from the relatively small "educated middle class" of the West Indies. I note that the USA comprises over 50 "mini-nations", each semi-autonomous. Have you been following the recent spate of referendums across these sub-nations? On issues like "Intelligent Design"? How "free" and "religiously tolerant" is a state that can raise a majority that demands the teaching of Fundamentalist Christianity in all its schools? R "" ==================== "" West Indian immigrants to the USA are an interesting group - highly selected, non-typical. Immigrants to the UK were encouraged to move here to fill a "skills shortage" towards the lower end of the skills market, and at a time when the "Welfare State" was in full swing. "Free" education for your children - up to and including University - free healthcare, subsidised housing for the poor, a state pension that you could actually live on... Quite an incentive to move here and take the low paid-jobs that nobody else wanted to do. America was somewhat more selective. Average incomes for West Indian immigrants to the USA is HIGHER even than for "whites", and a lot higher than for "African Americans" generally. That makes it kind of hard to compare the two groups. The "mini-states" thing is an interesting side-effect of the EU. Scottish separatists, for example, are often keen "Euro-federalists". They see the EU as means to "divorce" the rest of the UK (i.e. England) while remaining part of something "protectively bigger". The various Spanish regions share a similar outlook: each region paranoid that the others are "ganging up on it" to deprive them of their "fair share". They're in favour of a transfer of power away from national government down to regions and up to a trans-national government in Brussels. The people of the largest components in Europe's three biggest countries (Germany, France and Spain) are relatively "secure in their national identities" (And German "Lander" - roughly equivalent to "states" inside a federal Republic have more autonomy than in usual in Europe already. Within the UK, Wales and Scotland have their own "assemblies", with limited powers of self-government) The problem then is that the EU has to decide what it's going to be.... and there's dispute about what that is. We could go for stronger "regional" governments - "mini states" and weaker national governments... or we could keep things as they are. But we can't do both. Not unless (and it makes some sense) we make "European-ness" kind of "modular", where each member state picks which options they want to sign up for, and which they don't want. There have been nations in the past (The Swiss and Austrians) who were "associate" members of the EU. On some issues they were treated as members, on others they weren't. Similar deal with the Euro: Poland and the UK are both EU members.... neither use the Euro. As a matter of trivial interest, Colin Powell's first name is pronounced by his parents (who chose the name) in the English style - "Koll'n" And yet he's known to most Americans as "Koh-linn". R ""